An Interesting Prediction.

The messenger.

Gleaned last night from a documentary on the Indus civilization of some 4000 years ago and attributed to one of the sages of that time, this snippet from the Mahabharata (I think it was.):

” . . . . . .the future of all things material will be cut short by the lack of virtue.”

What is interesting here is the implication that the non-material would continue.

About Ian Gardner

Ian Gardner was born on the 20th February 1934 in Sri Lanka, then Ceylon, and christened Basil Ian Gunewardene. He was born two months prematurely and nearly died five times in his first two months. He moved to Australia in September 1969 where he changed his surname to Gardner. From childhood, he had an enquiring mind and an innate interest in the supernatural. Since 1986, nineteen years of regular periods of meditation, "searching within", reading and revelations have culminated in this free book which has been nine years in the making. Further writings followed and all his writings are available to all on the Internet free of charge. There is more information in the preface of the book.
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5 Responses to An Interesting Prediction.

  1. Reader says:

    Reg:

    1. If anything composed of energy is non-material, does that presume that the soul/spirit is not a form of energy or that the spirit is a form of energy and therefore occupies space?

    2. The contradiction is as follows:

    By definition. anything material occupies space. Hence, the non-material does not. If a non-material can be known, it can be sensed. If it can be sensed then it becomes material. Which is a contradiction in terms.

    For examle: Consider an intangible sense like ‘Memory.’

    The central vortex and the hypothalamus of a baby in the womb also carry a vast template of information in the neural codes that we call memory. That structure is inherited from the parents. A person uses that memory without even being conscious of it. It is intangible. Yet, absolutely material.

    So, for something to be non-material and to have a future as against the no-future of all things material, firstly this non-material thing has to exist and knowable without the use of material senses. That is an imaginary premise.

    In short, my take is that, there is no reference to the future of non-material things in the quote that you have given because the non-material things don’t have a present or past. they don’t exist.

    Perhaps I am wrong. I don’t mind being wrong, you know. πŸ™‚

    3. The reason for asking that was: Virtues that I have come across in the scriptures are very real and now. Ascribing them to the future of things sounds unfair. Not important, it was just a thought. Doesn’t change anything.

    Thanks for being patient with me. πŸ™‚

    • Ian Gardner says:

      re. 1. Correct, except that there is no presumption, only awareness – knowing, if you like. Spirit is not energy and, therefore, does not occupy space. This is clearly stated in my writings.
      re. 2. (a) The non-material is not “known” in the sense that you mean – one is aware of it “outside” the senses or the mind. Your postulation stems from the use of logic which is menting. Thought, as I define it, does not involve menting.
      re. 2. “Perhaps I am wrong. I don’t mind being wrong, you know” When you have read and fully understood what is written you will no longer be incorrect!!
      re. 3. “Virtue” which you asked about in an earlier question; the answer really lies in what meaning one gives the word having researched its various possible meanings and nuances of meaning. There is also the matter of the origin of the word and its meaning then. For instance, its meaning in Sanskrit or Pali may not translate exactly into the way it was, or is, understood in English today. Let not questions be simply for the sake of questioning or to display one’s depth of menting πŸ™‚

      • Reader says:

        Ian,

        Thank you,

        re 2: Since it is not knowable within the abilities of the senses and the mind, I’ll save my ‘mentivity’ for something else.

        πŸ™‚

  2. Reader says:

    What is non-material?

    The non-material if it can be known will be material, which is a contradiction in terms.

    Even empty space is material.

    What is the meaning of Future of all things material ?

    Do you mean usage?

    What is the role of virtue in the future of all things material ?

    Words may not be sacred but they have meanings.

    • Ian Gardner says:

      Reader,
      1. Within the scope of our knowledge this would mean anything composed of energy. This refers to the universe we know and, perhaps, to that or those of which we are not aware.
      2. I do not understand what you say.
      3. That depends on what you mean by space. For instance, IT, the I am, which might loosely be called space, does not consist of anything – or anything most can conceive of. The space in this universe is not empty.
      4. This is not a quote of mine. Give it a mental workout – that is the way to wisdom. The best rat catchers are the dogs who relentlessly tease a bone – terriers and their ilk!!!
      πŸ™‚

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